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Owned by the City of Los Angeles

There was no mention in this article that this airport is owned and operated by the City of Los Angeles, and not the City of Ontario or the County of San Bernardino

READ http://www.pe.com/localnews/sbcounty/stories/PE_Biz_D_airport19.3a3122a.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by AmericaIsNumberOne (talk • contribs) 23:30, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Since Q4 2016 it's NO longer owned or affiliated with the City of Los Angeles, a joint power authority runs the airport now - no connection to LAWA/Los Angeles World AIrports either. Np sca (talk) 19:20, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

NAME CHANGE?

Now that the airport has a new name, should the title be changed to L.A./Ontario International?? I belive so? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Redspork02 (talk • contribs) 20:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC).[reply]

It's been renamed back to Ontario International Airport now in Nov 2016 with the City of Ontario and San Bernardino taking over operation Np sca (talk) 18:05, 2 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

airlines

needs to be revised. half of these airlines are gone —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.28.111.42 (talk) 06:00, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Was edited some time ago and using the new formats since late 2009 for listing airlines and routes - is updated as changes occur now. Np sca (talk) 19:19, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Move?

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The result of the move request was: Nominator withdrawed the RM. Hill Crest's WikiLaser (Boom!) 01:53, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ontario International Airport → LA/Ontario International Airport –

A user moved the page and misspelled the word "Airport" and I can't move it back. The user should also be warned since it seems it was done on purpose. GoPurple 'n Gold₂₄ 23:25, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It seemed the user did it on purpose at first but it looks like it is just a typo. The user was trying to change it to "LA/Ontario International Airport". I changed it back to the original title since there was no discussion to change it to "LA/Ontario International Airport", I'm withdrawing this request. GoPurple 'n Gold₂₄ 04:15, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move

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The result of the move request was: No consensus. Apparently we have to wait until the new name makes it to a large number of reliable sources.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:09, 9 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ontario International Airport → LA/Ontario International Airport – The airport was renamed in 2006[1] and even the lead sentence refers to it as "LA/Ontario" (also stating how "Ontario" was its former name). The airport's website and all its documentation refer to it as "LA/Ontario". –Dream out loud (talk) 13:37, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.

Support Seems to be both the common and official name, and also helps bring down the WP:ASTONISH factor. --BDD (talk) 20:26, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose because I still see reliable sources using only "Ontario International Airport", such as the The Press-Enterprise [2] and CNN Money [3]. Sites like the Weather Channel,[4] Hertz,[5] Priceline,[6] and other various travel and tourism sites have not updated their pages either to the new official name. Even the FAA has not changed the title on its "Ontario International Airport (ONT) Real-time Status" page to read "LA/Ontario" instead.[7] I seriously doubt there is a huge WP:ASTONISH problem when the FAA still uses "Ontario Intl Airport" on its list of location identifiers.[8] Zzyzx11 (talk) 06:12, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How many people read the FAA's list of location identifiers, though? Californians and air travel buffs are unlikely to be astonished one way or another, but for the many other people that excludes, the natural assumption would be that an "Ontario International Airport" would be located in Ontario. The hatnote is good, and ASTONISH wouldn't justify, say, a (California) added to the title when there isn't another claimant to the title. But if there's another name for the airport in official and common use, that seems like the best solution for all parties. --BDD (talk) 16:33, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support per BDD -- 70.24.250.103 (talk) 13:16, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:COMMONNAME: 413K for former name, 2.02 million for current/official name.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 20:28, 26 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per "still commonly known as Ontario International Airport". It is a pretty common gimmick for airports to attach the name of a nearby city to attempt to attract traffic. Apteva (talk) 17:52, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Any additional comments:

Do we have any evidence that majority usage in reliable sources has switched to the new name? Powers ^T 13:59, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I think these articles from the LA Times pretty much sum it up - [9][10][11]. –Dream out loud (talk) 14:19, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That's only one source; it hardly suffices to represent majority usage. Powers ^T 20:49, 25 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ngrams does not even find LA/,[12] (leaving out the brackets gives everything with LA) google books has a zillion that are Ontario... and less than 50 with LA/. Ditto for google news.[13][14] 283 vs. 28. Apteva (talk) 01:17, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't rely on Ngrams for this because the airport name was only changed a few years ago, so the chance of books having been written with the airport's new name since then seems slim. We should rely more on sources like Google News. I clicked on both links and got 284 (Ontario) vs. 243 (LA/Ontario). The results are somewhat close, so it doesn't seem like WP:COMMONNAME has a huge triumph over this one. I think since both ones are common, we should go with the official one that is currently being used. Also take note, LA/Palmdale Regional Airport was moved from Palmdale Regional Airport back when the name was changed in 2007. –Dream out loud (talk) 03:30, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the two Google News links from above "Ontario" search and "LA/Ontario" search, it seems like the former had more results (284 vs. 243). However, the search for "Ontario International Airport" includes pages which say "LA/Ontario International Airport" (or "L.A./Ontario International Airport), because of the search technicalities. So it looks likes since "LA/Ontario" is shown in both results, that the latter is more common. –Dream out loud (talk) 03:39, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

When I add -LA/Ontario, I get 28 for LA/ and 25 for Ontario, in google news, and 49 books with LA/Ontario, and 8,430 with Ontario. I would suggest keeping it at Ontario for now. Apteva (talk) 08:22, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Move archived?

With the airport reverting to no connection to LAX any longer and having NO naming as "Los Angeles" in it - are the move discussion archive threads still worth archiving? Np sca (talk) 19:20, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, we do not delete older discussions just because the circumstances prompting the discussion has changed. They serve as a record of he page development. In the case of the above, it shows that there was no consensus to move the page, which explains why someone looking at the article's edit history would not see a page move despite the 10-year period where the official name included "LA".

Though I will note that the discussion, once formally closed, should never be edited, and I've removed your insertion into the discussion there, as it was not appropriate. I also want to give you the advice that responding to ten-year-old talk page posts is probably a big waste of time; the original discussion is completely stale. New info at that point should go into new sections. oknazevad (talk) 03:42, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

In Popular culture

This is a mess with uncited posts - I've attempted to cite some but others are unproven. Does this section die like on lots of other airports or is anyone willing to help add cite's to get this flagged back to verified? Should abide to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%22In_popular_culture%22_content Np sca (talk) 19:22, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Cargo Operations

This is uncited info - needs more factual info - I've digged around UPS's corporate info and see no solid citeable data to add as a reference - anyone willing to take a crack at this section? Would love to see the cite/verification notice gone from the ONT airport wiki post. Np sca (talk) 19:24, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]